And when Dr. King heard those words, he bristled at first hearing it, because he didn’t perceive himself that way. And it’s employment. We’re well past into the time we were supposed to be interviewing. What did they learn from Americans? And in our country, the metric that the early colonists used to divide and to rank people to determine who would be a slave or free, just to start with, the metric that was used was what we look like. Sway is a production of New York Times Opinion. You’ll be able to catch up on Sway episodes you may have missed, like my conversation with Nobel Prize-winning scientist Dr. Jennifer Doudna, and you’ll get new ones delivered directly to you. Bryan Cranston has built his reputation playing powerful men, from President Lyndon B Johnson to Breaking Bad's Walter White to Your Honor's Michael Desiato. kara swisher. SHARE. Special thanks to Shannon Busta, Liriel Higa, and Kathy Tu. There’s no way to celebrate, as opposed to the Confederate monuments, which is, of course, where a lot of those protests went on several years ago. Power, unpacked. And there he visited a school where the students were then known as untouchables, now known as dalits. So among the many scenes that struck me to my core was after the rampage had been quelled and was later into the night, and the cleaning crew is brought in to clean up after the damage that had been done. And he said, every Negro in the United States is an untouchable. But what it does is it determines one’s standing, respect, benefit of the doubt, access to resources, assumptions of competence and intelligence and worthiness, and then also whether the authorities will protect you or attack you. Sway The New York Times He had to think about the fact that there were, at that very moment, Black people in the United States who he was advocating for, at that very moment, the majority of them were not being permitted to vote. tsutomu 2021年1月11日 ‘Sway’ podcast host Kara Swisher discusses Twitter, Facebook banning Trump | ABC News 2021-01-11T03:49:41+09:00 ABC News Add to favorites On “This Week” Kara Swisher discusses the bans of President Donald Trump’s social media accounts. And we had a brief time known as Reconstruction, in which there was an attempt at helping to bring some equity to those who had been held in a fixed place again under enslavement for 246 years. I have —. We’re not on the same page with our history. I mean, there are reminders everywhere, as they should be. I had my pen. And of course in order to maintain this, it requires, you know, dehumanization of those people so that everyone in that society would have to buy into the fiction to justify this brutal institution of slavery. There was a heartbreaking case over the holidays in which a Black woman, who was a physician, who had COVID was in the hospital. That is what happened when slavery was created. It was an economic system that was created to extract the labor of people, human beings, by first commodifying human beings in order to make sure that the work that they felt needed to be done would be done, in order to convert wilderness into a country, to be able to tend and to grow the crops that were the lifeblood of a growing capitalistic society. [MUSIC PLAYING] - (SINGING) When you walk in the room, do you have sway? Well, it goes back to the end of the Civil War and how was that major psychic break in our country’s history managed after the war was over? And let’s be honest. It’s economic. I’m Kara Swisher and you’re listening to Sway. It has consequences in how people vote, what policies they support, who people hire, who is granted mortgages, who can be assaulted by authorities with impunity, all of the things that we’ve talked about. And these are system level issues that require so much more than just a single answer. And they were at the very bottom. It’s shocking —. And it was fascinating to watch, compared to the Confederate monuments debate. Doesn’t Mean We’ve Escaped Caste. Why is there a different American experience? And then of course, he had to think about it. Study it, whatever you want. And the issue of class, you could say there are three out of many ways that a society can decide the different aspects of identity. They created their own classification system. It just hasn’t made it into the mainstream of dialogue. I think the answer is all too obvious. And what’s interesting about it is, I have a lot of Southern relatives, and they keep saying, Kara, well, it’s history. Kara Anne Swisher is an American journalist. So the idea of the hierarchy that was created in our country— and remember, it was created. kara swisher I’m Kara Swisher, and you’re listening to “Sway.” My approach is simple. Sway is a production of New York Times Opinion. We’ll be back in a minute. It’s a power structure. nytimes.com — By Kara Swisher Listen and subscribe to “Sway”: Apple Podcasts, Pocket Casts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher (How To Listen) At the inauguration on Wednesday, Kamala Harris became vice president — the nation’s first Black person, the first Asian person and the first woman to do so — and President Biden spoke of “a cry for racial justice some 400 years in the making,” adding … Power, unpacked. It’s the system Pulitzer Prize winning writer and historian Isabel Wilkerson describes in her book Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents. The Dalits you’re talking about are in the Indian caste system. Sure, certainly. A mob of pro-Trump extremists clashed with Capitol Police. It was published last summer to much acclaim. John Poulos is the C.E.O. He was a learned man who had led the Montgomery bus boycott and was a visiting dignitary, had had dinner with the prime minister. And he later gave a sermon in which he spoke about what he had experienced and learned there. Her reporting reveals that the systems of power in America are deeply defined by caste. This is an indication of the — what I describe, when it comes to caste, caste is essentially this graded ranking of human value. And what they’ve done is they’ve paved over it. And then moments later, a man comes in rushing. On this episode of Sway, the Tony and Emmy-winning actor breaks down his method, the motivations behind the larger-than-life men he plays and why he draws the line at playing the Scarecrow in Wizard of Oz or the President currently in the White House.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. And it became a bipolar system of power and control, in which anyone who arrived to this country from outside of the poles of this hierarchy had to find a way of where did they fit in. So he didn’t perceive himself in that way. And there they were, laboring in their uniforms, bent over with mops and brooms and with masks over their faces. That will not happen until the year 2111, 2111. — walking into his own office building, and the security guard told him he needed to use the service elevator to his own office. If you like this interview and want to hear others, hit Subscribe. And we know that, had people who looked like those janitors in that crew that we saw working late into the night, if they had deigned to burst into the Capitol like that, we know what would have come of that. And if you multiply this times, you know, tens of thousands of times a day, when some assumptions about another individual impedes the ability for something to happen in our society, impedes a transaction, impedes an interview, impedes something that really truly needs to happen and it doesn’t happen, how do you even begin to measure the cost, not just to the individual who is suffering, but also to the entire society, all the things that don’t get done, all the missed opportunities because of these assumptions and stereotypes that are all an inheritance of the original caste system that predated our country. It seems as if he’s flustered. I was having to describe an entire region where it was against the law, for example, in one of the states, for a Black person and a white person to merely play checkers together in Birmingham. So I had to write the piece without him. It turned out that American eugenicists were writing books that were huge bestsellers in Germany, and in fact were used in the school curriculum that the Nazis created for themselves and for the students in that world. Well, not having an idea has consequences. There was a case of the editor of British Vogue, for example, who was —. So this affects how people are treated when they get into the system. And they connected their system of hierarchy to our own. But according to Isabel Wilkerson, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and historian, change may not come so easily. But once it’s over, is there a topic you really want to delve into? One is next year, 2022. It is unmissable. So let’s talk about how to dismantle caste then. But we can also see how fragile all of that is and how it doesn’t take much to resurrect those longstanding unaddressed wounds that are still with us. It was created. They learn the history and they know why it’s there. 00:20:17 - This week, Kara Swisher interviewed WarnerMedia’s chief executive, Jason Kilar, fresh on the heels of the announcement that Warner Bros. will releas… of Dominion Voting Systems. Well obviously, we know that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was an adherent to the nonviolent protest philosophy of Mohandas K. Gandhi. They paid reparations for the Holocaust, the Germans did. Listen and subscribe to “Sway”: Apple Podcasts, Pocket Casts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher (How To Listen), At the inauguration on Wednesday, Kamala Harris became vice president — the nation’s first Black person, the first Asian person and the first woman to do so — and President Biden spoke of “a cry for racial justice some 400 years in the making,” adding that “the dream of justice for all will be deferred no longer.”. What price do Black Americans pay for being part of a subordinate caste in America? That is a massive reminder of how slavery lasted, which is, again, the foundation of the inequities that we live with to this day, the upside-down power structure of the country that was established in the time of slavery. She was compelled to go on to Facebook to record what was happening to her. But it had been all day —, — and I was out of business cards. They were also looking at antimiscegenation laws, the laws that prevented people from marrying across race. And we know that after that, she passed away. Anna Wintour on the Kamala Harris Vogue Cover. Well, I’d like to say that I prefer to use the term subordinated. We made the appointment. There were signs when white Trump supporters, who say they voted for Barack Obama, this is pushing against the self-interest of their dominant caste status, and then in this election, more Black Americans who voted for Trump. Well, there’s a difference between remembering something and celebrating something. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. And it had been all day — now we don’t even use business cards, you know? There was a sense of rushing to move on and move beyond what had happened without truly addressing the deep, deep wounds and the tragic exploitation of an entire group of people for 246 years, nor was there an incorporation of the true history into our curriculum. And I said, well, put it in a museum then. ‎Show Sway, Ep This Astrologer Has Some Things to Tell Kara Swisher - 27 Dec 2020 ‎Astrology has been around for thousands of years, so why are “Mercury in retrograde” memes and horoscopes still so popular in 2020? kara swisher. This week, Kara Swisher interviewed WarnerMedia’s chief executive, Jason Kilar, fresh on the heels of the announcement that Warner Bros. will release its 2021 film slate in theaters and on its streaming site, HBO Max, simultaneously. Of course the same goes for people who are of Irish descent. And it’s the same thing here. ‎This week, Kara Swisher interviewed WarnerMedia’s chief executive, Jason Kilar, fresh on the heels of the announcement that Warner Bros. will release its 2021 film slate in theaters and on its streaming site, HBO Max, simultaneously. When it was all over, shattered glass and broken furniture littered the building. And that is why knowing the history is a huge part of it. SHARE. And then that, of course, we know, in the compromise, that signaled the end of Reconstruction, and thus, there was never a true reconciliation. Last week, the Capitol was a crime scene. Anyone who read The Warmth of Other Suns, however, has been exposed to the idea, at least from my role as a writer, because I use the term caste. Caste groupings exist in every country because it can be anything people choose. Now, I get you don’t want to be the surgeon. And beyond that, they also do things like leave bullet holes in certain buildings, which I think is important, you talked about in your book. Every Monday and Thursday, from New York Times Opinion Audio. And is it subliminal? And that meant that, here you have someone who is the best-dressed, sophisticated person in the world, and it didn’t matter how he was presenting himself. We want people to know the history. That Doesn’t Change Overnight. So the fact that our country will not even have been a free and independent nation for as long as slavery lasted, that’s how long it lasted, that it won’t be till next year, in our lifetimes. I have written this book as — I present myself as a building inspector who is presenting the report to the current owners of the building, the house we all call America. As we’re moving into the next year, and now we have a Black female vice President with Kamala Harris, some people used to say that America, we’re post-racial and doesn’t have a caste system. They could not even be, some of them, within 96 paces of a dominant caste person. It’s political. That is why you can have, in a country such as Germany, all of the markers that — like you said, the bullet holes that have been kept for a reason to remind people, to not forget what happened. It didn’t matter what his bearing was. Skimm'd from The Couch Careers Listen on Apple Podcasts. And East Germany did not have the changes. And he had always wished to go to India. Isabel Wilkerson on why a new presidency alone can’t fix America’s 400-year-old race-based hierarchy. She was not getting the treatment that she required. You don’t expect that. And that is what the outcome of these elections seem to be telling us. Or click h… It’s just the most mundane feature of an urban landscape that you could ever imagine. On this episode of “Sway,” she explains how she saw an invisible ranking system play out in the raid at the U.S. Capitol, and argues that rushing to move on would be a mistake.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. Listen and subscribe. This is Sway. It has affected me in the sense that, as I go through the world, I can never know when this will rear itself. Why do you think there’s a need for this human classification? We are living this right now. And I don’t know how to fix it. And your book focuses on three major caste systems in human history— ancient Indian one, thousands of years, Nazi Germany, which was a very short time, and America’s caste system. Well, I left it unanswered because in the work that I do, which is narrative nonfiction, my job is to show— show the history, show what has happened. That’s a perfect way to end. It is a form of the tax. All right, then. According to people familiar with the matter on both sides, although there had been no contractual cover approval agreement in place, the cover image was not what the vice president-elect’s team had expected. Here’s someone who had every single, one would presume, advantage and understanding of the medical system, of the treatment, of how she should have been treated, of the standards and the medications. Why hasn’t the term, though, caught on? Thank you for the interview. Food Delivery Is Keeping Uber Alive. We still live with the after effects of it, how it is not this ancient, long ago single chapter in our country’s history. I am good. Is it lack of memory? And I said, I happen not to have any business cards. OK, let’s check back a little bit and talk about the term caste. Their CEOs are entitle to one vote, their own. We need to remind ourselves that no Democrat who has run for president has won a majority of the white vote, or you could say, has won the white vote, since 1964. On the "Sway" podcast, Kara Swisher talks with the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and historian Isabel Wilkerson about the raid at the U.S. Capitol, and why a rush to move on would be a mistake. What’s the difference? On "This Week" Kara Swisher discusses the banning of Pres. We have simply not done that because we’re not on the same page about basic facts and basic aspects of our own history. And one of the examples that stands out to me, of course, is when I was a national correspondent for The New York Times, and just going about my work of interviewing people. And then one of the places that we see it manifesting is, of course, longevity and health itself. I just — I sort of throw up my hands. It became the tool, the signifier, the signal of one’s place in the hierarchy. New York Times Contributing Opinion Writer and "Sway" podcast host Kara Swisher says social media companies get engagement through enragement. Special thanks this episode to Liriel Higa and Kathy Tu. Looking at what happened at the Capitol, do you have an answer now? It fell to them in order to do that. We saw this with our very eyes, the complete opposite of how the protesters for basic human rights throughout the entire summer, how people were treated there. This is a phenomena. Not to give prescriptions, but I’d like you to give predictions. Uber’s chief executive, Dara Khosrowshahi, is charging toward a world in which food is delivered through apps like Uber Eats and “a driver may be human or may be software.” On the way, he acknowledges, “the human consequences can be painful.” Uber is not profitable yet, but its deep pockets and vast infrastructure give it power over independent restaurants and individual drivers. We should have been interviewing right now instead of standing here. The day after the first photo leaked, a second — more formal — digital exclusive cover was also released.Ms. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. America’s Caste System Is 400 Years Old. I wanted to know what Wilkerson saw. Ever since tech journalist Kara Swisher announced in April that she was moving to the New York Times, ... how to hold the powerful to account and shed light on those voices who are powerful in fresh and new ways,” said Swisher. I only came to looking at Germany after Charlottesville, because it was there that we saw the conflation of, the merging of these symbols from across time and across the ocean of the Confederacy and of Nazi Germany. Ever — well, keep that policy then. I don’t. Special thanks to Shannon Busta, Liriel Higa, and Kathy Tu. And so he had the chance to do so in the winter of 1959. TWEET. What was the most important of these U.S. segregation efforts that moved there from your perspective? I was all ready to interview him. You’re using brain power that could be put toward much better things, toward the writing of the work that you’re doing or whatever it is that your job is. Then the longtime maintenance workers showed up. You prefer to talk about casteism. It was a world where there was a Black Bible and altogether separate white Bible to swear to tell the truth on in court. “Sway” is a new interview show hosted by Kara Swisher, “Silicon Valley’s most feared and well liked journalist.” Now taking on Washington, Hollywood and the world, Kara investigates power: who has it, who’s been denied it, and who dares to defy it. “I aspire to be a Koch brother before I aspire to be an under secretary,” he tells Kara Swisher on this episode of “Sway.” His definition of power has little to do with politics — it’s profits, he says, that empower you to “control the resources.”Mr. Here, we have Confederate monuments. I love myself. One of the things that really — part of your book that’s gotten a lot of attention is when you’re having coffee with your friend, historian Taylor Branch. And I can see and visualize some of the same out of control, almost primordial, existential response to existential threat that I see in the rampage that we saw on Jan. 6. And the radiologist presents the X-ray and talks about what’s going on in the X-ray. So when you make the connection with the Indian caste system and then the German one, one of the most surprising parts of your research is that the Nazis studied and admired U.S. segregation laws. No.”On this episode of “Sway,” Kara Swisher asks Mr. Khosrowshahi about the plight of drivers and restaurant owners, and whether Uber is part of the “menace economy.”You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more information for all episodes at nytimes.com/sway, and you can find Kara on Twitter @karaswisher. Those who were at the bottom of it recognized the parallel condition of subjugation. It’s the visible manifestation of the structure that undergirds whatever we might be able to see. And I see echoes of what I have studied in the past. I would never, ever give predictions. The randomness is quite —, Yeah, it’s the arbitrary nature of it. But obviously, we have the appointment. Americans are familiar with race and the concept of systemic racism. On “This Week” Kara Swisher discusses the bans of President Donald Trump’s social media accounts. So talk about that difference, because the police handled the Black Lives Matter protests over the summer very differently. That is such a great point you make. There are markers and reminders everywhere in that city, in addition to the stumbling stones, which beckon in front of the last known residence of the individuals who perished in the Holocaust. I mean, this is the way that we see caste playing out in our current era. Big fan of Kara, she is one of the best interviewers in the business. The very word of God was segregated. Yeah. And among the Nazis, that was more than they were willing to do in defining who could be Jewish. This is in India. SHARE. And we’ve not done that. And so we’ve seen so many cases. And he said, I’m going to have to ask you to leave because The New York Times will be here any minute. — that in the current day anyone would believe that. Don’t let me drag it out of you. Yes, that’s true. We saw people climbing walls to get into the Capitol, attacking police officers. Historically, a society needs to get certain things done in order for the society to work. Well, first of all, any society, any hierarchical society can use any number of metrics, arbitrary metrics to rank people in a caste system. And they did not want people going there, acolytes of Hitler’s. Right now we can see it. I’m here. And I said, well, I’m here to interview you. His $1.3 billion suit against an ex-Trump lawyer might be the “first step” in a powerful fight against actual fake news. New episodes drop every Monday and Thursday. Haberman’s attempt to equate Trump’s democracy destroying lies about voting results with “rough politics” falls flat. I’ll need to see some ID. And instead you have to process and wonder —. And what’s interesting is, that was their classification system. He didn’t see how it was that the people there who were then known as untouchables could see him as one of them. But the reason that I mention that example is also to show how this affects so much more than just the prime targets of it, who obviously suffer on so many levels. And I said, now it’s well past the time. And in everyday ways, the idea that there’s this belief that people in the medical establishment still hold study after study after study, shows that medical professionals still believe the fallacy that Black and brown people do not experience pain in the same way that their white counterparts do. And it took what would be neutral characteristics otherwise, neutral characteristics that would just be part of the range of human manifestation, and turn that into a new designation, a new way of ranking and categorizing people known as race. But there’s another popular platform that markets itself as the destination for free speech: Substack.With more than 250,000 unique individuals paying for the newsletters on its platform, Substack is a lot smaller than Twitter or Facebook. They could not drink from the same cups. If you’re in a podcast app already, you know how to subscribe to a podcast. But your book argues that America is built on an invisible caste system. It requires a closer examination, first recognizing our history, how did we get here. I’m The New York Times here to interview you. It doesn’t need to be out in the public space. You’re the building inspector, and the building’s a mess. Duration: 04:45 4 days ago. New episodes every Monday and Thursday. I am worthy of love. We would never expect that there would be a single pill for a cancer diagnosis. This is Kara Swisher, and you found “Sway.” The new interview program from New York Times Opinion. Chief executive John Matze calls his social media platform a “neutral town square.” Kara Swisher disag… Taylor Branch asks you, if people were given the choice between democracy and whiteness, how many would choose whiteness? There’s often, in creating a caste system, there is usually some perceived law of nature or some sense of scriptural divine will that determines that these people were born to be on top and these other people were born to be on the bottom. Its structure. 'Sway' podcast host Kara Swisher discusses Twitter, Facebook banning Trump January 10, 2021, 4:08 AM On "This Week" Kara Swisher discusses the … And so he went to visit that school. It may have looked like a different century, but it is our century. I’m very, very busy. Then search for Sway and hit subscribe. Described by Newsweek as Silicon Valley's "most powerful tech journalist", she is an opinion writer for The New York Times, a contributing editor at New York, the host of the podcast Sway, and the co-host of the podcast Pivot. It has not been fully known, thus not fully addressed. I mean, caste is about structure. The people protesting the possible removal of the Statue of Robert E. Lee, they brought those symbols together, those belief systems together. They ransacked the halls of Congress, stole property, smeared feces on the wall. Stop the steal! Still a caste system invisibly underneath, just with their classifications. I lived in Germany for a long time. And she still was not getting the care that she deserved. The thing I would hear from people time and time again after they read the book was, I had no idea. You go through the world, everyone wakes up, starts their day, with the hope that the day will be good, with the hope that you will move through the world and get the things that you need to get done done. Explain what you think would have happened. It’s produced by Nayeema Raza, Heba Elorbany, Matt Kwong, and Vishakha Darbha, edited by Paula Szuchman, with original music by Isaac Jones, mixing by Erick Gomez, and fact-checking by Kate Sinclair. So this has continued to the current day. Let’s talk a little bit about how you demolish the idea of caste. I literally don’t know how anyone can say that. And then class becomes, essentially, the outward — the things that we add to ourselves — clothes, the dictions, the accents, education, all the things that we do have some control over that we can use to try to adjust what we might have been born to in our society. kara swisher. [LAUGHTER] I take the position of someone who is deeply steeped in the history that I have studied. And yet in the hierarchy in which we live, it cannot be assumed that you will just move about your day and there will not be some intrusion of caste, as I describe it. Because you have said that Germany had dismantled, officially vanquished caste. Every Monday and Thursday, from Ne… Whatever it was, she had all of it. That was fine, no trouble. And so I have two numbers, two years that I want to speak about. They were able to trample the barricades. We’ve had a civil rights movement that was absolutely necessary. They adjusted some of these things to make up what would ultimately become the Nuremberg laws, one of them having the idea of the one drop rule, which was part of some Southern jurisprudence that would say that, in defining who was Black, all it took was one drop of Black blood to make that person Black. All right, thank you. 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